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This is one reason why officers are having to pull their gun more often now. A 12 gauge shotgun dressed up as a Supersoaker. If you had tried to use a taser or mace against this, you would be dead. This is why sometimes it's a better reason to use deadly force than non lethal force when in a person with a knife situation. Warning. NSFW---GRAPHIC http://modernurbancombattactics.blogspot.com/2012/03/reality-of-knife-defense.html This is why unarmed people get shot usually. Just cause they are "unarmed" doesn't mean they are not a threat. All three of these videos, and the majority of the comments are anti-police. F**k the police, Police deserve to be beaten and killed. What is wrong with people?

I completely agree with you Mike. And sorry for the loss as well.

Ah okay. Thanks for replying I understand a bit better now. However with what you mention above about a preliminary hearing, wouldn't it give a bit too much power to the Judge handling the case? If he didn't like you or had a problem with you and would not recuse himself from the case, the only option would be for your legal counsel to fight for his removal from the case, correct?

http://sos.ga.gov/admin/files/Constitution_2013_Final_Printed.pdf Paragraph XI What you describe doesn't make sense to me. A Grand jury doesn't care about evidence, they just act all whilly nilly and do what they want with a person's indictment? While I can agree with the need for more transparency overall, and that an officer involved case should have full disclosure, I'm not sure if I understand correctly but isn't an indictment just a charge of a serious offense not a verdict? And correct me if I'm wrong (I'm not a lawyer), but if an indictment is reached then the person goes to trial and is then able to challenge the charges? In which case the prosecutor has to prove his case anyway. Sounds like you just want to get rid of the grand jury and go straight to the trial in and of itself.

So after listening to Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity today, they mentioned something interesting. Hopefully everyone knows by now that the Department of Justice and the Obama administration are conducting their own investigations into the incidents in Ferguson, NYC, and Cleveland. However they aren't stopping there. They have setup a committee to investigate these incidents throughout the country and investigate pretty much all of the police agencies in the country. This committee has come up with the bright idea of not allowing Police officers the right to a trial by a grand jury, essentially stripping them of their Fifth Amendment Right. In my personal opinion I don't think anything like that would ever be put into law, however since the Obama administration has clearly sided on the opposite side of the police and this committee is hand picked by his administration, I really have no idea what will happen. They are also thinking of implementing new training standards requiring all officers in the country to be retrained. Anyway I would just like to hear some of the community's thoughts on this matter. Also moderators: this is my first topic so if it's out of place or not labeled correctly please let me know, so I can fix it next time.

I feel like we are getting the thread off topic. Do you mind if I PM you and offer my rebuttal? If you don't that's okay, a lot of what you say is true, however there is still a lot to be said on this argument, but if you don't want to, I understand. I just don't want to get the thread too far off topic.

You are correct in a number of ways, however many politicians still vote against their constituents from time to time. It happens. However if you think a politician cannot be persuaded to join Congress because of the pay you are dead wrong. How would you like $174,000 a year for life, unlimited free haircuts (up to $50,000 a year), $50,000 every 4 years to rearrange your office furniture. The ability to have up 18 personal assistants, oh and 18 assistants for each of those assistants. Plus, free healthcare and personal protection, oh and let's not forget you only have to work 100 days out of the year. Oh and if you are high ranking such as the President you can get the taxpayers to pay for your multiple multi-million dollar vacations. I'm not saying all politicians are in it for the money but the money definitely doesn't hurt their decisions. Congress when given the chance will always help themselves. Those few who don't agree with it are drowned out by the voice of the many.

So much this ^^^^^^^^^.

But then the question is what do you consider an acceptable form of psychological interrogation? Essentially leaving a man in a dark room with no clothes and nothing to eat would be a form of psychological interrogation, but then again some would consider that torture. And the CIA has used that technique before. It's outlined in the report as torture, I do believe.

Okay I lament, I have no argument for that. Well done. However I will say that Americans are being detained, may or may not be being tortured, and are then beheaded, and it seems like the American public cares more about Dancing with the Stars than that. I adjourn for now, good debate *reaches for handshake*.

Now this I can agree with you on. Quite frankly no matter which side they are "on", it's good to hear a foreign opinion for sure. But on another note, I do disagree that you are using the 200,000 killed in the Iraq war in this argument. I don't see why it is needed in the argument. Yes that many people and possibly many many more were killed (including civilians, women, and children), it happens. Part of war. Look at the death tolls of WWII. However I don't think it is entirely relevant because this argument is about the CIA and interrogation and the CIA is absolutely not solely responsible for that much loss of life in the Iraq campaign. So since you brought up the 200,000, I'm going on a tangent, but think about the thousands of people Saddam tortured and killed before the Gulf War and after it (including innocent people who he claimed had helped the Americans in 90-91). And I think you can make a viable argument that the CIA was very helpful in bringing him to justice with or without Enhanced Interrogation Techniques. Was bringing him to justice worth it? Also Sam what you mentioned earlier about the comparisons is accurate, and you make a valid argument. I do believe the US has a lot to learn in the representing itself department. Now on another note, I still want to bring up the point I made earlier that no one mentioned. The politicians who released this report were told that releasing this report would very likely result in backlash and attacks on Americans overseas and endanger many more American lives. However they still decided to release it. Personally I'm glad that we finally have clarity but at what cost? If there is an attack next week and it costs 500 American lives was it worth it? Also I would like to add that this report was made solely on the testimony from the Lawyers for the people that were detained, and no interviews were conducted with the CIA agents in charge of the camps and detainees. That's another talking point that needs to be addressed.

Well first off why do you think I'm a terrorist? Do I know something? If so, fine beat the living daylights out of me. You need the information and I have it. I know I've done wrong and I have accepted that this might happen. Like drinking and driving. I know it's illegal and cops are out to get me, I've accepted it and if it happens it's my fault. Do the CIA pick up innocent people by mistake? Absolutely. In that case...... Why are they picking up random people? That is a question of choosing which people rather than interrogation techniques. Entirely different ball game, slightly different argument.

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Another talking point about this whole report is that most of what the US does is psychological and much more humane than what other third world countries due to their prisoners. Think about it. Waterboarding is perhaps one of the worst things they did. However when you compare it to other countries methods: say Africa where they routinely chop off family members limbs and eventually kill them just for information. Our technique isn't that awful. Or Iran/Iraq where they are known to put sharpened sticks underneath your fingernails. Or Japan during World War II where they would march you for hundreds of miles and routinely beat you along the way. Am I saying that what the CIA did is right? No but as has been said before it's on a case by case basis. Osama's 2nd Lieutenant is in your custody and he has just planted a dirty bomb somewhere in Manhattan. You caught him right after he planted it but you don't know where. Is waterboarding acceptable? If it's not what are you going to do to obtain the information? It's real easy to criticize something that's ugly but until you offer a more viable alternative what choice do you have? Also where is the backlash to the politicians, who were told that this report would probably cause a backlash and possibly an attack harming Americans and they just decide to release it anyway? The only thing that has saved them is that there hasn't been another attack yet. I'm personally more angry at the politicians airing our dirty laundry to the world and inviting more people to hate and harm us.