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  1. 1 hour ago, Riley24 said:

    And what exactly does that prove? What is your point? We can argue all day about the different ways in which surveys and studies are conducted, who is and isn't white, or the various sociological explanations for the statistics you quote. What are you saying?

    Lol, of course we don't have literal laws like we did in the 60s. I'm guessing you didn't exactly read any of the articles that I showed you, since they proved that its harder for black people to find jobs than white people, and that blacks are arrested at high rates for drug crimes, even though they don't commit them at those high rates. The ways in which we as a society apply or enforce laws has a BIG impact. Sure, all of the black people arrested for drug crimes. But if you go searching white people at a proportionally high rate, guess what you're going to find? DRUGS. And if studies are correct, MORE drugs than if you searched black people. So why are black people arrested at higher rates?

    There seems to be confusion in our society about what equality actually is. If you're claiming that its just as easy to succeed as a black person in America than as a white person, you are simply incorrect. Did you seriously think that you just happened to be born into a generation with perfect racial equality, something that no other generation in the ENTIRE history of the country has enjoyed? 

    And look up the content of the CNN article instead of just dismissing it. You'll find some pretty ugly stuff.

    The same argument was used post-slavery, when black people were rounded up and imprisoned for the pettiest crimes imaginable, at far higher rates than their white counterparts. You are defending a system of inequality on the technicality that people targeted for arrest committed a crime.

    "What exactly do they want?"

    *reads website saying what they want*

    "Yeah but I don't like what they want"

    Well...um...ok? Debate that with them. And I absolutely agree that law enforcement should be civilian controlled, that's a policy model that's been floating around for a very long time. They are public servants.

    So you're admitting that the public and the police are ingrained with racist stereotypes...? That's the entire problem being discussed. Why are we even debating?

    They found the PCP after killing him, and you're right, we'll also need to wait for the toxicology report. If he wasn't on PCP, there also needs to be an investigation into whether or not the PCP was actually found in the car by the police. It would not be the first time in America that evidence was planted. But a drugged out guy is not a deadly threat. Someone acting erratically is not a deadly threat. I understand why the police were concerned, and I understand why they felt the need to call for backup. But I'll say it again, not following orders and erratic behavior is not an immanent deadly threat. Its a worrying situation at best. In order to end somene's life, you have to be pretty damn sure they're about to end yours. That's the whole point of self-defense. We simply cannot allow our payed public servants to be too terrified to do their jobs. And my slightly tongue and cheek example of Paul Giamatti was not about stardom, which I tried to make clear. Its about someone that LOOKS like Paul Giamatti.

    And I'm glad we at least have, or are starting to have an understanding of where we're coming from. If you don't believe that systemic racism exists, that's fine. We can debate that, we can show each other articles and studies. My point then would be that the system is created by people. And if you're willing to admit that racism on the personal level exists, what is so unbelievable about the idea that the people who created and continue our current system could have the same personal levels of embedded racism?

    I'm not up in arms about the cops choice of words, don't get me wrong. I just don't think that if it was a jolly middle aged white guy, that they would've handled it in the way they did, or referred to him the way they did. It goes back to the classic point we all know is true: Muslims are terrorists, black people are thugs, and white people are mentally ill. Its my personal opinion that if Crutcher had been white, they would've thought he was a crazy white guy off his meds, or someone having a diabetic episode.

    And the Complex link is broken. That comment was mostly a joke lol, but I still think its true to a certain extent.

    There's also similar allegations against police in St. Paul. The narrative that police were attacked by rioters out of nowhere is not one supported by any sources other than the police department itself.

    I'd love for you to watch interviews with Michael A. Wood Jr., the former USMC FAST team member and Baltimore PD Sergeant. He talks about how his military training made him a lot less scared during interactions with potential criminals, because he knew he could draw and shoot faster than anyone he was talking to. He's a big advocate for improving police training. 

    And the public will never stop engaging in crime, otherwise we wouldn't need cops. Crime is an unavoidable byproduct of having a society with laws. Respect for police has to come from improvements done by police.

    I'm not demanding that you take up a liking for that specific group. Its just important that we understand why they exist in the first place.

    You're definitely stuck in the 60s here's the problem they are in generational poverty some of them try to fix it some don't but it's not always the cops fault 

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