TheSandwichStealer reacted to Giordano in LSPDFR 0.4 - Epic Customization
Units patrolling without the need for extra mods?
I can now have Los Santos County Sheriff and LSPD?
and both patrolling at the same time?
Character customization, including a custom character, without Skin Control and EUP?
SOMEONE PINCH ME!
TheSandwichStealer reacted to Sniper296 in Ohio SRO escorted from school property after giving principal a ticket
What do you think that authoritative pink "Community Team" under our profile image means? We are above all!
TheSandwichStealer reacted to OfficerUnderwood in Sigh... I'm leaving
I'm leaving my computer, LCPDFR, & ZModeler... To unwind from working on models and this community.
So I'm gonna make a sandwich. Brb in 10 minutes. It's 2am, I'm tired and wanted to bring some humor up of the retirement/leaving posts.
TheSandwichStealer reacted to Giordano in PSA:GTA V Updates 12/11/18 PLEASE BACKUP YOUR DATA
You're the reason they keep releasing updates.
Members, please aim your spears towards him!
TheSandwichStealer reacted to Giordano in Former U.S. President George H.W. Bush has died at the age of 94.
@Officer GILLETTE ABDI
Posts like yours are not needed. Whatever someone did or didn't do doesn't matter. A man has died, show some respect. Furthermore, we do not need this thread to turn into a stupid debate.
TheSandwichStealer reacted to LukeD in Spanking in Europe and France
God damn clickbait title >:(
I'm against hitting a child. Or anyone for that matter. If you can't control your kid to the point you have to hit them you're a shit parent. No two ways about it. Get better at parenting and maybe you wont ever need to hit them.
TheSandwichStealer reacted to Albo1125 in Open-Sourcing Albo1125's Mods & 'Retirement'
As many of you will have noticed, my activity in the LSPDFR scene has decreased significantly over the past few months. There are many reasons for this, the details of which I won't bore you with. It mostly comes down to being busy with other things in my life, as well as LSPDFR becoming less interesting for me having played it for so long and the introduction of frameworks allowing modded GTA5 multiplayer environments (read: FiveM).
How times have changed since when I joined the community in 2015, from me taking an interest in learning to code in C# to having multiple plugins released on the site. It's been one heck of a journey here. I recall well the first 'mod' I uploaded for the LSPDFR community, which was called 'More Jail Points' at the time. This was first published for RAGEPluginHook 0.20. This later evolved into 'More Jail Points & Prisoner Transporter' and is now known as the all-so-familiar Arrest Manager. When I was contacted by @dbock1989, who was so enthusiastic about my More Jail Points & Prisoner Transporter plugin at the time, I couldn't quite believe it. He had been so kind as to create a variety of images related to the plugin (see below)! It frankly couldn't have been a more exciting moment at the time and, alongside other overwhelmingly positive and welcoming feedback, served as a major motivation factor for me to continue learning to code and create plugins.
Following this, I was looking to give more purpose to the LSPDFR traffic stop system. And so, Traffic Policer was born - a plugin originally intended to add a few ambient events related to traffic offences. This has now grown into one of my most feature-packed plugins to date. By this time, some YouTubers started using my plugins in their videos. Not only was this a great way for me to obtain feedback on my mods' user experience, I also watched @Zachary Houseknecht with great pleasure while my ANPR Hit AI lit many of his police vehicles on fire... An absolute howler: https://youtu.be/4D8HshZzWMQ?t=606
Some weeks on and Assorted Callouts was next in line. This was originally created out of a callout idea by @CaptainSugarFree and turned into what is now known as the Pacific Bank Heist. This took about 4 weeks of intensive development to fully complete (and am I shocked at the code quality looking back at it now... works though). As the first of its kind, the callout featured voice-overs and an intense, detailed SWAT based LSPDFR callout. I was incredibly proud for this to be featured on @Jeff Favignano's channel and I see now that the video in question has amassed over 1.9 million views... breathtaking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIXKvUyzylA
Moving on again. At this point, @FinKone had managed to get me into YouTube. After having released British Policing Script, longing for an LSPDFR experience closer to home for me, many longed a version of the plugin for international and American users to incorporate the traffic stop improvements and a court system. With that, I released LSPDFR+ by doing my first ever YouTube live stream, which was quite the experience. After this, I released Siren Mastery, PoliceSmartRadio and a variety of other tools and smaller plugins. Many hours of coding, effort, stress, giving support and obtaining feedback had been put in by this point. I was absolutely chuffed to then achieve one million downloads on my published files...
This figure has since risen to over five million.
Following some negative coverage of LSPDFR in some of the Australian media, I'm also very happy that Wired UK decided to publish an overwhelmingly positive article on the whole GTA5 police modding scene: https://www.wired.co.uk/article/gta-5-mods-lsdpfr-british-police?utm_content=buffer9ca53
After PoliceSmartRadio's release - with the infamous April FoolsRadio download giving four thousand people a perhaps frustratingly good laugh - I placed the whole modding scene lower in my priority list. As mentioned previously, this has since been pushed far further down.
Some thoughts on the community's development over time
I would describe the LSPDFR community as healthy. @Sam @LMS and all the other contributors have created something very special for all the right reasons and this is largely reflected in the attitudes of the staff & moderation team and community members. With publishing mods on a popular website like this, unfortunately, comes some drama and negativity - and while I have not always agreed with the way and speed the moderation team dealt with my reports relating to me and my work, they have done a good job overall. The few issues that I experienced were all resolved. From my experience in the plugin side of the modding scene, this continues to be the case now.
One thing I noted during the months that passed is that both experienced but particularly newer modders are now frequently treated with disdain in the scene. The modding scene has grown massively since when I first started and unfortunately, in this area, it shows. Everyone starts somewhere and the fact someone is spending their free time creating something for all of you to download, for free, has become massively underappreciated and taken for granted. Sure, a new modders' release may be full of bugs and be nowhere near as feature-rich as more developed plugins, but this takes time to solve. Had I received the negative feedback I've seen on many a new modder's release page back in 2015, you can rest assured I wouldn't have continued my development here. When providing feedback, by all means, point out the issues, but do so in a friendly, constructive manner, not in an entitled, toxic one. Have a look at the first few comments on my Arrest Manager download page to see what that is like - this was a major factor for me to consider continuing development! It is essential for the development of the LSPDFR modding community that this attitude is changed back to what it was in the 'good old days'.
With all that said, I also hope the release of LSPDFR 0.4 kicks a breath of fresh air into the now somewhat stale core LSPDFR modification. With over 2 years having passed since the latest update of the core modification, I'm sure we all agree that an update would be a very welcome step. From the various preview posts released by the development team, it looks that we all have something great to look forward to there.
'Retirement'? So does that mean you're permanently done with the LSPDFR modding scene?
No, but I won't be actively developing plugins for LSPDFR any more. To be fair, nothing's really changing much now compared to the past few months. I intend to remain as a member of the LSPDFR Testing Team and I'm sure I'll be drawn back in at some point to explore some of the new development options in the 0.4 API. I'll also stay around on my discord and occasionally the forums and I intend to continue publishing occasional videos on my Youtube channel. And yes, for those that know and enjoy it, I'm also planning to continue writing blog posts on UK road safety . If my time and motivation levels allow, I may publish some minor updates to my current mods before 0.4 is released. The fact remains, however, that I would currently classify myself as 'inactive' in the scene. With so much other stuff going on, I simply don't have the time to commit that I used to. It would be a pity to say the least to let all my work slowly deteriorate and waste away. Therefore, I've decided to publish the source code to some of my plugins to https://github.com/Albo1125/. At the very least, I would like it to be a learning resource for other ambitious plugin developers in the scene. At best, I hope other developers will take it upon themselves to improve the code where necessary (yes it is very necessary!) and create pull requests to share those improvements. These can then be merged and released, with credits obviously included for contributors.
Back when I started developing for LSPDFR, very few learning resources were available bar the great example project by @LukeD . This hasn't really changed since, despite the creation of the LSPDFR API repository by LMS (https://github.com/LMSDev/LSPDFR-API) and some posts aiming to document the LSPDFR functions by myself in the API development subforum. A noteable step was the creation of the LSPDFR Developers Discord server thanks to @Stealth22 A full post with current development resources can be found here:
I'm planning to publish the source code to a number of my plugins one-by-one to improve this and give something to the community:
Arrest Manager: https://github.com/Albo1125/Arrest-Manager Assorted Callouts: https://github.com/Albo1125/Assorted-Callouts Albo1125.Common: https://github.com/Albo1125/Albo1125-Common Traffic Policer: https://github.com/Albo1125/Traffic-Policer LSPDFR+: https://github.com/Albo1125/LSPDFRPlus British Policing Script: https://github.com/Albo1125/British-Policing-Script
By no means do I claim that any of the code I post is perfect or amazing - on the contrary, far from it. With the experience I have now from studying a BSc in Computer Science, reading through some of my old code makes me want to tear my hair out. This is only to be expected, though - most of my plugins were created as part of my learning experience of C#. Prior to this, I had no coding experience or knowledge. It's fascinating to see how the quality of my code has evolved over time by looking at my various different plugins in order of initial release date.
Wrapping up. I hope this post provides some clarification and closure for those of you wondering where on earth I've been over the past few months. It's been an absolute blast and a pleasure. To all of you who were a part of my journey here, thank you.
TheSandwichStealer reacted to Sam in Our Community - What we stand for & How to get involved
With all the talk about LSPDFR 0.4, it's been a little while since we've provided a general update on our community. Of course, LSPDFR 0.4 is our main priority at the moment and we'll have more to say about it shortly, but we thought it important to also address and announce a couple of things regarding our community.
What our Community stands for
Before anything else, I'd like to take a moment to reflect on who we are, as people that run this website, and as a community.
LCPDFR was founded, back in 2009, simply because I thought it'd be a fun thing to do. To play as the police in GTA IV. It was an idea, ambitious for its time, and nothing more. I worked on LCPDFR because it was fun, I published it because I thought others might also enjoy it. LCPDFR has come a long way since then, it has evolved from one person's topic on a forum, to its own website, to its own forum, to its own community. We've spanned two games, our reach has grown massively, our community is approaching 300,000 registered members. The amount of work that goes into developing LSPDFR alone is staggering - the time that we've spent on it is measured not in days, weeks or months, but years. Likewise, the effort required to keep our website online is vastly underestimated - in the past month we've served around 30 terabytes of download traffic alone, and have done all of this despite persistent, targeted denial of service and hacking attacks against us. To put this in context, if you were to serve 30 terabytes of data through Amazon Web Services, it'd cost you $3,000 a month - and that's just one month of download traffic.
Why do we do this? Because it's fun. We love developing our community, we love developing our mod, and we love that other people - complete strangers, from all over the world, from countries you've probably never heard of, from all walks of life... we love that they love LSPDFR. Our community has achieved incredible things: we've created an entire gaming phenomenon and we've developed things that nobody ever thought would be possible. Our members have done more than simply play games or make mods: we've fought hand-in-hand against corporate giants (and won), we've transformed peoples' entire lives by sparking new careers and we've been covered everywhere from massive YouTube channels to mainstream media publications. Heck, we've even triggered out of touch government ministers in Australia.
That's not the whole story, though. Sometimes we are the story. Sometimes we make mistakes. We've had catastrophes, like the time where we had a hyped countdown on the website only to reveal a private testing version of LCPDFR that nobody could access. Our first ever livestream had to be rescued by Steve and Jeff after it started with Prophet driving a train around Los Santos and infamously stating "this is not the preview for LSPDFR 0.3" while our community manager could do nothing but watch helplessly after being accidentally disconnected. We've messed up releases, we've announced things too quickly, and sometimes we've not announced things at all.
Yet, despite all of this. Nine years later, we're still here. We're still making mods, we're still developing this community, and we've stuck true to our principles the entire time:
Our community is open to all. We treat members equally regardless of their status. Everything is completely free of charge, with no catches.
Why? It's not about fame, it's not about money, it's not about status. It's about love. We love LCPDFR, we love LSPDFR, and we love our community. We don't think that modding should be hidden in private Discord servers. We don't think that modding should be something people pay for. We don't think that modding should be an ego boost.
We just think that modding should be fun. It should be open, and it should be free. That's what we stand for, and that's what we do.
How you can get involved
Last year, we opened up applications to join our Community Team for the first time. This resulted in a couple of new faces joining our moderation team and upon reflection, we think it's a good change in approach from previously handpicking staff members ourselves. We've decided to open these applications again, and would invite anyone who is interested in volunteering some of their free time to moderating our community to apply by following the link below. Our volunteer Community Moderators are a vital part of everything that we do, and it wouldn't be possible to maintain the community without them.
To find out more and to submit an application, please visit: http://lcpd.fr/staffapp
TheSandwichStealer reacted to XBR410 in In respone to StraightGlitchez
I was in the middle of writing a reply that I feel was very civil, when it was closed (RIP ME) but I think some things need to be said, (Don't have a heart attack staff)
Straight... I'm of the opinion that the only Reputation you have damaged in this whole ordeal is your own.
Being a developer who you've directly attacked with your friends for absolutely zero reason at all
(I've never met you before I was told that you were passing off my work as your own saying you "Recreated it".
In fact I still have never really met you and frankly I don't care to after all this drama)
If your apology is sincere I will accept it. But I'm going to wait and see if your actions speak louder than your words here
and hope that you either truly change your ways or distance yourself from the bad influences around you. (Looking at you Recluse, and you too Husky, even still)
And for the record, to everyone that reads this people have said that LCPDFR has been dying since 2014.. It never really happens...
I'm sure anyone who's been here awhile may remember LCPD-MODS eh? maybe not since there's a ton of new people around here these days
but People have always looked for something to hate around here, and most of the time this website gets the brunt of it. If you all want the Community to grow,
there's a very easy way to do it, Be nice to people, Teach people if they don't know something. Treat staff with some respect if you want respect back,
because at the end of the day when crap hits the fan, they're the ones you're going to need, and also if you feel the community team here isn't doing a good job, ever thought about applying? or at least ask if they need a little help before bashing them? . If you're a "Developer" challenge yourself to learn new things and be Original,
as opposed to the totally unoriginal and immature act of stealing/leaking other peoples work, with zero respect for it or the person that worked on them,
even in some cases as mentioned before passing it off as your own.
There's my two cents for free kid, if you really want to change your ways then that's fantastic.
but you're going to need to show it before a lot of people who know the whole story believe it.
(To Everyone) This community and the mod itself, have brought a lot of good times, to a lot of good people over the years
and I'm disappointed to see how toxic the community has gotten, this isn't LSPDFR's fault. It's our fault.
If you think that this is LSPDFR's fault, In my opinion, you're part of the problem
TheSandwichStealer reacted to GTAIVCode3 in Goodbye...
I guess I'll add my two cents in real quick.
I'm not going to lie, I've been absent from the community for the last couple of years so I don't really know who you are, but thank you for your contribution to the community. It's really something that goes unnoticed and people really take it for granted which is unacceptable. People need to stop being so god damn needy. If you would like something, either create it yourself or ask for some help. Creating content isn't really that easy, if it was easy everyone would do it. There are some people out there that are better than others, but every little contribution counts. It's what makes a community a community.
One thing that I've noticed over the last 8 years is that the sense of a community has gone down the drain. Back in the early modding days of GTA 4 with modders like Lt. Caine, Bxbugs, and Yakadafi (Just saying those names makes me feel old, especially Yakadafi before his namechange lol), everyone was giving other members their own content so they could create something off of that and vice versa. Now it seems like everyone is all self centered which takes away from the whole point of a community. Maybe it's just because the older generation is moving on from the GTA scene and we're getting the new batch of younger members into the community, but who knows. It's childish.
TheSandwichStealer reacted to LibertyDesigns in Leaving for a While
LSPDFR Community and Whomever it may Concern,
I've been around this site for a hot minute. I like to think I generally know what I'm doing when it comes to skin designing, among other things that have to do with GTA modding. In my time here, I've released exactly 81 files in just over a year of membership. That's more than most members here. I'm not saying I'm better, more qualified, or more talented than anyone else here, but I will say I have worked very hard to bring this community quality work the entire time I've been here. As of November 7th, 2018, the entirety of my file library will no longer be available on LCPDFR.
Why I'm no longer sharing my files here:
Rude & disrespectful members:
Since starting this adventure about a year ago, I've met quite a few great people. Helpful people who give constructive feedback on my work. I've also come across people who have no regard for my intense effort to make high quality work. I've had people rip my designs, screenshots and abuse the LCPDFR review system because they didn't like my response to their rude comments, reviews, etc. For example, humans are not perfect, we all miss a few errors. If one of my screenshots has a bit too much saturation, I probably missed it, there's no need to leave a one star paragraph long essay on how much that one picture sucks. Then when I reply with something you don't like, you go and one star all of my other files, which is real mature. This is why we all can't get along, and it's annoying because if we could just learn to give constructive feedback, this wouldn't be an issue.
Staff have treated members poorly:
In the instance I heard about, a modeler I know of was treated unreasonably poorly by a member of the LCPDFR staff. I'm not here to stir more stuff up, but come on! I'm not getting into the specifics, because that's between the member and staff, but what I will say, being on the staff of a pretty large website, you should hold yourself to a higher standard. Don't curse people out because they let you know about something of concern on the site, instead, look at it in a professional manner - and deal with it in a professional manner. This isn't all of the staff, by the way. I have had many positive encounters with site staff, and they are great people!
Lack of substantial new things:
Yes, I understand that 0.4 is in development, near release and all. That being said, we've had the same general call-outs, scripts and such for a pretty extended amount of time. 0.3 brought many new and exiting things to this community when it was released in July 2016. Since then, we've seen the same tactics, maneuvers, and bugs over and over again. From the players' side, this should be understandable - as we all want new things to put in our game. From the developers' side, the prolonged wait is also understandable, adding many new things to the update that look like big mechanical changes. Adding ambient crimes, additional player/ped customization, menu options, etc. While this is all very cool, I personally don't think it takes 2 years to develop this. I've seen mods like "Stop The Ped" and "Interaction +" come out and be updated in a much shorter amount of time, and those plugins are considerably similar to the previewed content of the LSPDFR 0.4 release. I also understand the developers are making this in their own time, with little to no financial support. I know I'm not the only member who feels this way about the updates, or lack thereof.
Stolen & misused content:
I'm a pretty generous person. I don't charge you for me to design a skin going to a public release or to help develop something to better the community. But, when I'm generous enough to make you textures or something of the sort, I expect you to ask me before modifying the file I made you, I also expect credit for my work as well. I've had multiple occasions on this site where I make something for someone else, and they have either posted it without my permission, modified it without my permission, or sold it without my permission. Yeah, yeah - the site admin doesn't condone any form of financial transactions.... All I'm saying is, it's really not that hard to ask to do something with my work. Most of the time I'll let you post it, modify it, whatever, I just want to know you're doing so. But, when you don't credit me, and ignore my requests for credit for my own work - it makes me pretty angry.
Members are just ugly to each other:
I've been involved in, seen and heard of so much "drama" within this community. Why? We all literally make stuff for a $60 video game. What happens is one person gets too confident about their work, then other people get upset with that person, and arguments arise. It happens in intervals, too. It's a different set of people every time. When this happens, people just leave because they get fed up with this crap. It's like a country's revolution. In this case, it keeps happening over and over again. I'm sure i'm not the first one to point these problems out, but seriously, we all need to see that we have a common goal, and drop all of the pre-existing grudges - AND WORK TOGETHER!
Finishing, I'm really not going after anybody, I don't want to start any drama. I wrote this and cleared my files because I want to see some positive change here. We're all getting tired of this toxic crap, and quite frankly, I don't think I'll be the only one to leave because of this. I think we would all like to see an improvement in how we treat each other. I'll be honest, there have been a few instances where I was somewhat rude to other members, but from those instances, I learned that it's only counter-productive to act that way. This will 110% be mis-understood, but just to be safe and repeat myself for the third time - I'm not targeting any single person in this post, I'm making this post because I want people to realize we need a positive change here, and hopefully this will help make people realize that.
Closing: Thank you to all the people who helped me get where I am today. I'm not going offline, I'm just leaving this site. I'll still be on Discord and such. Again, thanks to the following people for their support, kind words and such, it doesn't go unnoticed.
If you want to join my Discord, PM me since it's against guidelines to post it here. My Discord username is T. Jennings#1056
TheSandwichStealer reacted to Maurice97 in Why my stuff is gone
LSPDFR Community and Whoever it may Concern,
I am a member of this site since September 13,2013.In that time i shared round a bout 50 Files.Overall it should be more than 120 vehicles.It was an awesome time.I want to thank everybody who supported me in this time.A lot of people messaged me why my stuff is no longer avaible.So im gonna answer this here.You deserve it.I apologize for some missunderstanding.Im from Germany and only had school english but im gonna try my best.
There was a person (im not gonna say the name) who uploaded a part in the Developer Section.He didnt knew who was the original author was and still released it.I told him in the comments how he could dare to do such a disrespect move to the author.That comment got deleted by a Admin.So i was frustated and commented with : Nice that my comment got deleted... I got warned to stop commenting on it.But i didnt.Some people will say its your fault but i cant take this disrespect to the real author so i posted a thumbs down.That was the reason why i got a warning point.Im not banned or something but i decided to hide my files from there.Some of you are moddeling on your own and you may got a feeling in what a bad state the Modding community is.There is a huge disrespect on the work of others.I understand that admins are also people and cant remove everything within a sec.But however i dont want to attack any admins.Only the person who uploaded it.But for doing that i put my stuff down.Some of you may think thats completly overreacted.Maybe it is.But i dont want to be a part of an Toxic community anymore.Stuff like this is the reason why people leave.I also did it to show that enough is enough.Respect others work.I know Im not god and cant change the world.But i dont want to take that.This site doesnt deserved this.Alot of people put so much love in creating this site.I want to thank them.Maybe we can get back to what this site should be.A place where we can do what we all love.Modding and playing this Video Game.Help each other if there are problems.I know that still happens.But there is more toxic stuff around than good.This is maybe a part of this community.But if so,i dont want to be a member of that.Most of us are all adults.Lets keep it like this.I dont want to say that i never was chlidish.But most people are.So,like i said you deserved a statement.There it is.I hope that something changes and i can Unhide my files again.Im Still gonna post some ingame pictures.If you want to get some more informations about stuff i do at the moment or also from others.Join my Discord.
-link removed- .Just to make it clear to the Admins.I dont try to make ad for my server for *stealing* members.Its only for people who still want to be in contact with me.Again thank you ALL for this journey-I hope that this isnt the end.If you are still interested in my stuff hit me up on discord.Check my profile for Infos
Dont go and offend anyone.
TheSandwichStealer reacted to seasonedshrimp in Synagogue shooting in Pittsburgh
Unfortunate how events like this always fold out into a political debate.
As a Kansas City native who can remember only a few short years ago when we had our own mass hate-crime similar to this, I can tell you, it's best to leave this at sending prayers and help to those affected. No point in turning this into a worthless debate.
Do guns work? Yes.
Do they prevent crime? Yes.
Do we know if it would've worked here in this EXACT situation? No.
Is everyone a hero? No.
Lets keep it clean and simple. Not everything needs to be politicized.
TheSandwichStealer reacted to Maurice97 in Synagogue shooting in Pittsburgh
Dont know whats wrong with this guy who created this topic.You only make a thread when a shooting or something bad happens.Why so Sensationalism.But lets dont forget that people who does shit like this arent human.No religion should feel that pain.WE ALL ARE HUMANS
TheSandwichStealer reacted to MrLucky8 in LSPDFR 0.4 - Ambience
Even if it does a lot of what other mods already do, I think it will do it much better. Also, every plugin or mod tends to drop performance and is poorly integrated. This means a massively better overall experience. Some of the improvements like AI will be amazing though.
TheSandwichStealer got a reaction from Slushy in *Lost Person* Looking for any info
Well, I don't know about other people for me, I have this issue where only ELS sirens go mute after about 8-10 minutes in a police chase, non els sirens work just fine though. Only way to fix this is by loading up the game again, it's strange.
There's also this:
TheSandwichStealer reacted to c13 in LSPDFR 0.4 - Ambience
I was playing last night and I got in pursuit of a suspect who was flying over route 1 and eventually on the Pacific coastal highway. Due to heavier traffic, I fell back a bit and was responding behind two other units. It gave a sense of realism where I wasn't always the first one to a call, where I am always reacting to what was going on and having to call backup myself. It was one of my favorite moments in a while.
After talking to others, a common issue we have is a sense of being alone on shift. I feel like I have a solution that can mitigate it, and should be fairly simple to implement.
Back in LCPDFR, there was a kind of hidden feature where if you set a waypoint, you could call for backup and a unit would spawn next to you then respond to the waypoint alongside you. Such a feature could easily be implemented, and with features that didn't exist before like code 2 backup, it will give a sense of an actual department responding instead of a lone player who shows up first and reacts to everything. A nice feature would also be the ability to have backup stick around until dismissed, like in OnScene backup.