Ukraine's Got the Reigns 1.0

Although technically seems a very good livery, I would strongly propose that our mods stay out of politics (or however we want to call it) especially at today's situations. Of course we, the gamers and modders, are not living in a gamming bubble, but we are part of the word (as we've seen with so many Covid-19 related mods). Still, we should keep in mind that the first victim of any war is the truth. Especially today that in a never seen before unjustified, unreasonable and undemocratic manner the opposite side's opinion (even propaganda if you like) or even the slightest different opinion is attempted to be muted. This is happening in either side (or sides) of this conflict. Of course the citizens of any country are not the "target" of this or similar mods as we understand that many times the decision making is without their approval (as it is happening with the ban of the "opposite" media).  And I don't think that there is any sane person that doesn't believe that throughout history the people and the citizens are those who suffer in any armed conflict regardless of the side they are.  But what if our game and our sites become a ground of opposition, considering the fact about the truth in a war? What if another mod which says "NATO go f**k yourself appears? Then another about E.U. or Putin or Biden etc? I think you get the point. I am living in one of the western, E.U. countries in case that you are wondering, but I think that we, the gamers and modders have a unique bond and respect beyond countries, borders, sexual orientation and religions (as the Assassin's Creed series state), that we should keep especially in times like these. Thanks for reading this. 

Edited March 3, 20224 yr by gorgonut

4 hours ago, gorgonut said:

Although technically seems a very good livery, I would strongly propose that our mods stay out of politics (or however we want to call it) especially at today's situations. Of course we, the gamers and modders, are not living in a gamming bubble, but we are part of the word (as we've seen with so many Covid-19 related mods). Still, we should keep in mind that the first victim of any war is the truth. Especially today that in a never seen before unjustified, unreasonable and undemocratic manner the opposite side's opinion (even propaganda if you like) or even the slightest different opinion is attempted to be muted. This is happening in either side (or sides) of this conflict. Of course the citizens of any country are not the "target" of this or similar mods as we understand that many times the decision making is without their approval (as it is happening with the ban of the "opposite" media).  And I don't think that there is any sane person that doesn't believe that throughout history the people and the citizens are those who suffer in any armed conflict regardless of the side they are.  But what if our game and our sites become a ground of opposition, considering the fact about the truth in a war? What if another mod which says "NATO go f**k yourself appears? Then another about E.U. or Putin or Biden etc? I think you get the point. I am living in one of the western, E.U. countries in case that you are wondering, but I think that we, the gamers and modders have a unique bond and respect beyond countries, borders, sexual orientation and religions (as the Assassin's Creed series state), that we should keep especially in times like these. Thanks for reading this. 

I understand, and this is not political. I am familiar with the EU history and I sit on a panel with other professors who studied Eastern European history, pre Cold War, post cold war, the formation of NATO, etc. I could care less if someone posted something that is for the attack. Obviously that would be muted, but I understand the reasoning for the attack. It's not just to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO either, it's also not just because Kyiv is located only 300 miles from Russia's capital, it's not just because of resources, and it's not because of Ukraine trying to live as a free state. There's plenty of factors but doesn't make the playing field justifiable. At the end of the day, it's a mod. A mod that is created for the heroic actions of citizens, government, and military who lost their lives. No where in this mod signifies politics regarding democracy or living in a controlled state. Don't get me wrong, it's not a shit post and there are Russians who are against the approach, but misinformation has always been on the forefront of the war based on the actions seen. This isn't even relying on fox news, CNN, and other televised news either, this is relying on friends and family that I have contact with who fled Ukraine.

I mean, this was directed at the moments leading up to more terrible events. I mean come on.... there is a video circulating of a missile landing near a child and you could hear the cries of the children. It's sad but it's not justifiable at all. So I will leave my post how it is and you can see it for what it's worth.

Edited March 3, 20224 yr by officerpudding78

Well, I didn't imply that you should remove your mod (neither that it is propagandize something) and I do like nice conversations with people who know the facts. So neither our conversation should be deleted. Of course I do respect your opinion but I won't make any attempt to explain the reasons for what is happening because this is not the nature of this site. (It would be interesting if we could exchange opinions in a political or similar site). What I have stated -as my personal opinion- is that we should stay cool and don't make any aspect of that conflict a part of our game for the reasons that I have written above. In order to show how information is handled during such events and with asking yours and the moderator's permission, I would state regarding the "moto" of your livery that a bunch of different infos has been already given. Firstly, the soldiers died heroically defending the island according to Ukraine. Then, according to Russia, no battle took place and the soldiers had surrendered immediately. Then according to Ukraine those soldiers may have survived. Then again, that the soldiers are alive and captured after a battle took place. Then according to Russia, no battle took place etc. See what I mean? Also from our personal experience we know that many times those who are less close to a situation, have a better view of some of it's aspects. Not regarding your mod, but the mod I would have made, thinking of the destruction, grief, heroism, brotherhood, leaders who profit and soldiers and civilians who perish in every conflict -even an economic one-(and my country has seen more than a fair share in the previous century), is a phrase which is attributed (although not with certainty) to Oscar Wilde: “Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious". For those of you who like "good music" check out the lyrics of Orgasmatron song by Motorhead. Thanks mate! 

23 minutes ago, gorgonut said:

Well, I didn't imply that you should remove your mod (neither that it is propagandize something) and I do like nice conversations with people who know the facts. So neither our conversation should be deleted. Of course I do respect your opinion but I won't make any attempt to explain the reasons for what is happening because this is not the nature of this site. (It would be interesting if we could exchange opinions in a political or similar site). What I have stated -as my personal opinion- is that we should stay cool and don't make any aspect of that conflict a part of our game for the reasons that I have written above. In order to show how information is handled during such events and with asking yours and the moderator's permission, I would state regarding the "moto" of your livery that a bunch of different infos has been already given. Firstly, the soldiers died heroically defending the island according to Ukraine. Then, according to Russia, no battle took place and the soldiers had surrendered immediately. Then according to Ukraine those soldiers may have survived. Then again, that the soldiers are alive and captured after a battle took place. Then according to Russia, no battle took place etc. See what I mean? Also from our personal experience we know that many times those who are less close to a situation, have a better view of some of it's aspects. Not regarding your mod, but the mod I would have made, thinking of the destruction, grief, heroism, brotherhood, leaders who profit and soldiers and civilians who perish in every conflict -even an economic one-(and my country has seen more than a fair share in the previous century), is a phrase which is attributed (although not with certainty) to Oscar Wilde: “Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious". For those of you who like "good music" check out the lyrics of Orgasmatron song by Motorhead. Thanks mate! 

I wouldn't advise of anything being deleted. And I've heard that song and of Motorhead before, but I need to give it another listen. It's unfortunate that everything is two-sided and that civilians on both ends have no control. Despite the hardships, it comes down to a civil agreement at the end. And hopefully a cease on both ends can come about soon. You have one side reporting one thing and another reporting something completely different. I do know that media gets interesting because it's only about an individual perspective. I only base things off of what's seen in the people's perspective for both countries. Every war comes with a greater cost to both sides and it's toyed around in the hands of the leaders. Not including factors of meetings with other countries that are indirectly involved. If a cease fire did occur, that would be the best option for both, but due to the historical context, it will be difficult to come to a long term solution. It's been historically contextual dating even back before the Berlin Wall. 

Edited March 3, 20224 yr by officerpudding78

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Great van. Do you have a development model? The left front tire needs to be adjusted a bit (more outside than the rest).

Wanted to use it as a coroner but that (very) small issue bothers me... 

7 hours ago, darkblue said:

@officerpudding78

Great van. Do you have a development model? The left front tire needs to be adjusted a bit (more outside than the rest).

Wanted to use it as a coroner but that (very) small issue bothers me... 

 

7 hours ago, officerpudding78 said:

 

ok, cool. Thought you would maybe update it since my knowledge of z3d is 0. 😂

Thanks anyway.

On 3/4/2022 at 5:05 AM, darkblue said:

 

ok, cool. Thought you would maybe update it since my knowledge of z3d is 0. 😂

Thanks anyway.

?? I'm confused, this base is not mine

Slava Ukrainyi, heroyam slava!